Grand Theft Auto European City
Server Discussion => Server Reports => Admin Reports => Topic started by: XTM on June 07, 2016, 06:30:59 am
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Admin Name: BeaTz
Date: 0605
Reason for report: Re-report http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=335.0
Evidence:(Screenshots, videos..etc)
http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=335.msg2765#msg2765
Extra notes:
I warned you many times at loc bikers you didn't listen.
When exactly?
Your warnings were:
[19:58:41] =TLK=BeaTz: xtm thats not allowed u know
[19:59:22] =TLK=BeaTz: XTM move ur car or ban which one u want
[19:59:58] XTM: where is the rule for ban?
[20:00:16]=TLK=BeaTz: There is common sense
http://i.imgur.com/oxIGJog.png
The full log is here https://cloud.mail.ru/public/HwBz/H7AXbTWDL
That's all.
sometimes the vehicle doesn't get respawned to its default pos
You even didn't try to explain to me the situation about a bug that you pointed out
Why didn't you do it? You just kicked me at mansion later for "common sense". You created your own rule and abused.
I insist on accept my report, cause BeaTz didn't tell how it was actually. He's just avoiding demotion. it's clear abusing of admin rights without knowledge of server rules.
If it wiil be denied, It means personal preferences in staff.
It's pretty obvious that this teenager is kind of mad at me. His madness is based on regular in-game defeats so in order to self-affirmate he has nothing but to use his admin "powers". I'd like to notice that his impunity in this case (http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=335) has provoked further outrage.
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Even if this is accepted, he'll be warned, not demoted. :p
Oh wait, he has been warned before.. :(
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You don't know about the bug huh? You clearly know what happen in ammunation and bikers.You keep claiming it's not your car and when I ask you to get the car you said it's my wish. I can abuse my admin powers there, cuz there is a rule for disobeying staff.
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If it wiil be denied, It means personal preferences in staff.
There's no such thing a personal preferences between staffs and don't anticipate for what action will be taken. We treat fair and square here,even asslicking won't help.
Anyway we will discuss regarding this report with the higher administrators, please be patient.
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You don't know about the bug huh?
I didn't know about this bug till this (http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=335.0) report and this (http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=335.msg2765#msg2765) message.
You clearly know what happen in ammunation and bikers.
Yes, I know, I definitely blocked entrances at downtown. It was a tactic to prevent or reduce the opponent's retreat.
You keep claiming it's not your car and when I ask you to get the car you said it's my wish.
Why are you mixing 0506 and 0606 days in one message. 0606 I said you many times that it wasn't my truck and I clearly knew about new rule. But it was not enough for you.
At once you just decided that it was my truck without any proof.
[20:54:38] Connecting to 188.165.247.223:8196..
[20:54:38] Connection success. Loading server info...
[20:54:38] >> XTM has successfully auto logged in.
[20:54:48] =TLK=BeaTz: xtm ur report denied :pw
[20:54:54] XTM: Congratulations with avoiding of demotion, BeaTz, you're good in ass licking.
[20:54:55] =TLK=BeaTz: now get ur barrack out of ammuThe log about that is here https://cloud.mail.ru/public/FVQQ/dSLvyCEUT
I can abuse my admin powers there, cuz there is a rule for disobeying staff.
You can not kick a player for "common sense" reason.
And maybe I must dance for you cuz "there is a rule for disobeying staff"?
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Sorry for getting involved but there was great cooperation from XTM's end.
Removed useless messages from the chat logs..
[23:47:52] =TLK=BeaTz: xtm get ur truck
[23:48:04] XTM: I don't want to
[23:48:08] [NYB]MD619: BeatZ someone has blocked entarance
[23:48:12] =TLK=BeaTz: I'm ordering u
[23:48:15] =TLK=BeaTz: not a req
[23:48:25] XTM: gtfo
[23:53:14] =TLK=BeaTz: its a russian truck
[23:53:24] XTM: proof
[23:53:36] =TLK=BeaTz: xtm
[23:53:43] =TLK=BeaTz: even the owner knows its ur truck
[23:53:49] XTM: lol
[23:53:55] XTM: kick me then
[23:54:01] =TLK=BeaTz: i showed evidence with this
[23:54:13] XTM: kick and ban
[23:54:19] XTM: I'm waiting
[23:54:23] =TLK=BeaTz: i dont follow ur oders
[23:54:31] =TLK=BeaTz: its my wish
[23:54:32] XTM: hah
He just pissed off BeaTz with his unpleasant response and then he expected BeaTz to treat him calmly.. even i got stuck in that truck several times.. i wasn't able to buy armor from Ammunation because of plenty of guys to hunt me there with the blocked run hole..
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This log is the evidence that the truck wasn't mine. Just try to search "Barracks" there.
And I repeat again, this is the second day after report, don't mix it.
And why I should spawn my car because BeaTz ordered it? Why he's using admin cmds for that? (slap - teleportation to him)
If I spawn my car and it disappear out of ammu, It does not prove anything.
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There's no such thing a personal preferences between staffs and don't anticipate for what action will be taken. We treat fair and square here,even asslicking won't help.
Really?, I really would like to believe that, although acts of impunity are obvious, I'm sure that if some administrative member performing the same action at the moment he was helping beatz would not have happened absolutely nothing. As simple as that.
As proof of my words, you guys as an administrative team showed that, creating a rule to save beatz although this person created his own rules in the game.
New rules added:
Blocking properties' entrance with vehicle via /getcar or /park: It's prohibited to spawn or park vehicles at properties entrance using server commands, it may cause the vehicle to stuck between the entrance and making it hard for players to get outside or causing them trapped inside. You are still allowed to drive the vehicle and block entrance without the use commands.
( something to do with vehicle system, we have reason for this but wont be explained here )
Why not?
When I reported [EAF]Sean, he was warned although rules were clearly written and he was just too blind to notice about that.
http://www.ec-gameservers.com/t3986-warnedreport-eafsean
In the current report you guys don't take the least action and create a new rule only to justify acts of impunity and poor judgment.
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That's exactly the situation, but they have right to defend their staff, but not in that way, defend only if he's innocent, even now they started defending their so called CLOSEST FRIENDS and then they say that we asked EXPERIENCED admin before decision, we are confused that what you ask from them, you surely ask, "Should I ban him or not" instead of the obvious fact, everyone witnessed the crystal clear evidenced reports which were straightly denied without any reason but for being "HIGH PINGS/LAG" of reported person. Well, as always, it was our task to report rule breakers, even if they're admins, we can't do anything if you don't take action against them, we will not even bother to report anyone here from now on as everyone can see what's going on.
Now with my post, some will surely come here and say, "look K's asslicking, look K's crying", but you cannot hide the fact. Someone will surely ban and delete my forum account again or someone will again delete my post but the truth has been spoken already. Democracy cannot be achieved like this.
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If any other member who is not involved in the report, replies in any of the topic in report section, he/she will directly get a forum warn without any prior notification.
Just cruisin down the forum rules. #yolo #fdp
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Cruisin down the forum rules when we do something bad, not when someone else (your CLOSEST FRIENDS) do something.
For your very awesome memory, Krystianoo wasn't involved here but no one gave a damn that time, and if I made a post, you're against me, ggwp
http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=205.0
If you're so serious about forum/server rules, implement them on your CLOSEST FRIENDS too.
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Cruisin down the forum rules when we do something bad, not when someone else (your CLOSEST FRIENDS) do something.
Your post again, was full of bullshit. All I could take from that is "staff sucks no democracy only help friend" and that according to me is provoking staff, since I don't see anything which could help in solving the report. On the other hand, Karan and Phenomz did post something logical which imo causes no harm.
Stop creating drama everywhere and just stay shut unless you have something useful to say, at least in this board.
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Sighz. If I may interject.
Well from what I can gather from here is that you all are saying Beatz acted on his own will without proper explanative reason, fine, I'll get back to that but I want you guys to understand something.
The admin's duty is to at all times uphold fair gameplay in the server; this extends beyond the limited concepts we are able to fathom to produce the rules. For example let's say someone found a way to illegally enter a different world in the server and he can use this as an evading tactic or he's just mischievous, We have no rules that would specifically account for such actions but you would agree that something should be done correct? Because it's unfair gameplay. We are not "know it alls", the rules will forever be incomplete as we come across new scenarios and new problems so a new rule isn't made to protect anyone and neither should you believe that 'no rule' scenario protects you from the action of admin against unfair gameplay.
Now regarding Beatz's action, he has all right to use his administrative powers on situations that are not covered by the rules if the situation is unfair gameplay BUT proper explanation to the accused is necessary, without it, we end up with shit like this. Nothing wrong with your everyday car blocking however this situation wasn't adequately explained. XTM I am not able to tell you whether he did things out of "true admin abuse" where your accusation is basically that he made an excuse later on to justify the kick rather than having an explanation from the start to warn you about. I personally don't know and I don't think anyone here will truly know the answer to that but I'm in agreement that the administrating needed proper explanation from the beginning.
That's my 2 cents to this whole thing.
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Too much of a hassle for a game.
I agree with GangstaRas' statement tho, proper explanation regarding 'no spawn cars at props entrance' could've been told.
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Sorry, but I really ignored much K, you said all the times about saving friends, ask from thunder, beatz, karan or anyone, I am not close friend not even good friend of them(whoever the one you stated) & I always go with justice no matter its my friend, best friend, bro, cousin whatever the relation is, the thing is report, evidence, proofs & statements,
I posted that decision, discussing about a report with others is not a crime, even they agreed on my decision about the report you are saying, I take the full responsobility about deciding the final decision of all reports I handled and all of them are fair, so better stop posting finget on me & staff of EC.
Well, about the report, I completely agree on Gangstaras's 2 cent.
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We have two premises:
1. Beatz punished a player for non-existed rule.
2. Admin has no right to punish players for non-existent rule.
Syllogism is:
Beatz had no right to punish a player for non-existed rule => Beatz overused his admin powers <=> commited admin abuse.
Q.E.D.
Everything else is a pure demagogue.
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We have two premises:
1. Beatz punished a player for non-existed rule.
2. Admin has no right to punish players for non-existent rule.
Syllogism is:
Beatz had no right to punish a player for non-existed rule => Beatz overused his admin powers <=> commited admin abuse.
Q.E.D.
Everything else is a pure demagogue.
We have 2 more premises
1. BeaTz had instructions from head admin to do whatever he like.
2. Admin have enough rights to punish players for not co operating.. rule were created after that report and he did that again, you're stating an invalid point now.
Beatz did what senior staff told him to do, he was even granted to kick XTM out from server afaik but all he did is slapping, teleportation and asked to get his truck peacefully, what XTM did is, he never co operated.. he even said beatz to suck his dick, gtfo.. etc.. at last he turned the topic about those 2 pakistani brothers that plays under alias.. and accused me for "f1" ,reported me, and got nothing there, what else do you want to know ? you came here to save this report when there's no point, you're just insulting yourself teaching staff "how to administrate".
I don't think so you're that dumb to know what's right, if he had bring his barracks on that time, this controversy wouldn't be running right now, many faced problems,, even i got died because of that barracks several times.. we tried everything to remove it, its still stuck there.
Thing is, there's no way to remove these vehicles from respawning at their last pos.. only way is to restart the server to restore everything to their default spawn loc.. but you guys never cooperates which ends up being a problem..
(http://s32.postimg.org/a5vcrgp6d/2016_06_06_23_52_55_0969.png)
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We have two premises:
1. Beatz punished a player for non-existed rule.
2. Admin has no right to punish players for non-existent rule.
Syllogism is:
Beatz had no right to punish a player for non-existed rule => Beatz overused his admin powers <=> commited admin abuse.
Q.E.D.
Everything else is a pure demagogue.
Do you remember this report? http://www.ec-gameservers.com/t4474-bannedgreen-pigs-default-loc-camp; likewise this report http://www.ec-gameservers.com/t4522-bannedreport-spawn-camping but I'm more speaking to the first one cuz that was the one that involved you. Idk what happened to the vid evidence but you guys were basically spawn-camping this noob Cuban and killing him everytime he spawned, the excuses were that he was given time to react or move off from his standing point but if he can't even type a cmd in peace before getting killed in 5 seconds, what kind of fairness is that?
To this day we still don't have an official spawn-camping rule. Does that mean that I abused my admin power at that time by banning the 10 of you for 5 days? No, because you know it was unfair gameplay and it was left unchallenged because I explained to you why you guys got banned, you guys know better than to fight on loophole tactics. And it is from that point that I say just because there isn't a rule officially stated on something does not mean you have a right to do as you please, if it's deemed unfair gameplay to the players, expect admin intervention.
So any talk of admin abuse from that perspective is invalid. The only point that is valid is on the basis of what XTM has been reporting on which is why Beatz did all that without stating a fair and proper reason immediately during accusation. There's nothing being said in that to whoo audience, that's just the fact of the situation
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Too much of a hassle for a game.
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New rules added:
Blocking properties' entrance with vehicle via /getcar or /park: It's prohibited to spawn or park vehicles at properties entrance using server commands, it may cause the vehicle to stuck between the entrance and making it hard for players to get outside or causing them trapped inside. You are still allowed to drive the vehicle and block entrance without the use commands.
( something to do with vehicle system, we have reason for this but wont be explained here )
Why not?
Do i have to explain the whole EC's vehicle system( created in 2015 ) just to avoid the statement from being used to attack staff ? The explanation is clear enough that the position you use /getcar might become the vehicle's spawn position. That's all the information required to clear the action taken by BeaTz and what the players need to know.
When you use /getcar at the position between a property's entrance for the first time after server restart or /park the vehicle there, it will be the vehicle spawn position. There's no way to move the vehicle without the admin's help, even you shoot the vehicle or make it explode, it will still re-spawn at the same position and keep blocking the entrance until higher level admin remove the vehicle or set the vehicle's spawn position to another place..
What beatz done is just to keep the game fair and personally i agree with his action. But he should has explained the problem better to avoid misunderstand.
About 'disobey rules':
What the staff need is just a little player support, but as some players cant even lend a little hand, so we had to add this rules:
Disobey staff: All players must obey our staff members, breaking this rule can result in a punishment. (Any kind of power abuse can be reported directly at 'Admin Reports' section)
But seems like some players still use it to attack staff, even it's stated there that any kind of power abuse can be reported directly at Admin Reports. I am just wondering how can we get a little cooperation from you to solve the matters ?
The real report is just about BeaTz taking action that is not listed in server rules, until some users rush in with personal issues and make things worst.
So back to report: Sometimes rules cant solve everything, that is the reason we choose staff members; to take care of servers and keep it fair for all players. Some player might dont realize how their action affect other players. So the staff members are allowed to take action if the situation is clear affecting other players and causing difficulties. But it's risky as players can report them and they might get no support from players & other staff members if his statement is not clear enough. Same thing happened to BeaTz until he showed us how the situation caused problems to mod & difficulties to other players.
Taken from server rules topic:
The server rules is updated according to the situation, make sure you read this topic frequently.
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After some discussion with the staff, we've decided to give a final warn for demotion to BeaTz.
Edit: The report was denied as what BeaTz did is reasonable and valid, the reason we've given him a warn is because of his attitude which is sometime not appropriate and professional for a staff member to show. Hopefully for the last time he'll improve himself and no longer shows bad attitude toward players and staff members as he did.
@Beatz: If you kick/drown someone, make sure your reason is clear and not some "?? !? ?". If ever they're not aware about the rules, explain them clearly before you take any action. If they do not stop, that's the time you can do your actions, just to prevent confusion from them.