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Auto Ban/Warn system
« on: August 29, 2017, 03:40:19 pm »
Hello Everybody,

I'm here to suggest something new about Auto-Ban/Warn system. Yes, it is a good idea to avoid hackers and rule breakers but as you know nothing could be perfect. At the needed place this function works correct but sometime it is performed at un-needed places.

The bugs i have faced with this auto ban/warn system can be known here: http://ec.vc-mp.co.uk/index.php?topic=5755.msg31788#msg31788



About two days ago, my brother was playing in server . He was knocked down and there occurred a sudden power cut which made him timed out off server. And he rejoins what does he see ? Warned for death evasion. Timeout isn't death evasion.



Same goes with me. I joined server, spawned and was just heading towards Medics and on the way i automatically got banned. for reason: hack detected.


So, for the betterment of server you either ought to improve this system or totally remove this out.

If improving, warn and ban should be for valid reason and with a valid reason specified. not just ' hack detected ' it should explain what kind of hack is detected.



I'll personally prefer the removing of this system. As there are good number of staff members to cover up the server and keep it safe from hackers. If they aren't online members can report the hacker/rule breaker and action can be taken accordingly.  I was unbanned yesterday because everybody here knows me very well and was certain that i won't hack. Just for a minute think that a newbie joins a server and gets banned for no reason, being unaware what was his mistake. Where he has done nothing. How much wrong impression would it put on that player. It might affect some of other players also. You know when something happens to a person it is spreaded out to the world.

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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2017, 03:43:57 pm »
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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2017, 04:35:35 pm »
Quote from: Decent_946
About two days ago, my brother was playing in server . He was knocked down and there occurred a sudden power cut which made him timed out off server. And he rejoins what does he see ? Warned for death evasion. Timeout isn't death evasion..
There was a way to disconnect from the server and make it show as 'timeout', not sure if it's still possible in latest VCMP( i can simply make server ignore it to solve the problem though ). Anyway, the chance of getting knocked down and then suddenly timeout is something rare to happen. I believe no admin can confirm whether it was a power cut or an evade either. Besides that, the warn is not the same as the normal warn and it's not permanent, you will only get banned if you get 3 warns in a day for the same 'powercut' when knocked down. Does it happen that frequent in a day ?

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Same goes with me. I joined server, spawned and was just heading towards Medics and on the way i automatically got banned. for reason: hack detected.
You got banned for suspicious speed by the server. Actually, it was not the first time, i got several PM from ECBot about the suspicious speed. If it was a bug, can you re-produce it so that we can find out what caused it ? It might help other players as well.

There was about 90% or more drop in hack count( speed hack ) with minimum false detection after the detector was added. Beside that, it also stopped the ban evader that keep joining to ruin the player count by using hack and kill them. As you know admin cant be online for 24 hours so players have to wait for admin to ban the hackers. If the detector is removed, it's the same as ruining the server and players' stats while waiting for an admin to online. We never stop improving the system, it's being improved time by time and as soon as we get more information to find out the cause of problems. But to do that, we need players' participation and cooperation.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2017, 06:11:02 pm by Human. »

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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2017, 05:28:44 pm »
@Human this ban might also be due to his fps lag,i saw him today and he got kicked twice or thrice from the server due to fps problem.
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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2017, 05:54:56 pm »
FPS doesnt affect the calculation that much actually. Anyway, his FPS was stable 30.0451 when it happened..

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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2017, 06:04:36 pm »
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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2017, 06:09:20 pm »
Note: It wont be removed, unless we found the cause of the problem that cant be solved.

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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2017, 12:54:44 am »
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About two days ago, my brother was playing in server . He was knocked down and there occurred a sudden power cut which made him timed out off server. And he rejoins what does he see ? Warned for death evasion. Timeout isn't death evasion..
There was a way to disconnect from the server and make it show as 'timeout', not sure if it's still possible in latest VCMP( i can simply make server ignore it to solve the problem though ). Anyway, the chance of getting knocked down and then suddenly timeout is something rare to happen. I believe no admin can confirm whether it was a power cut or an evade either. Besides that, the warn is not the same as the normal warn and it's not permanent, you will only get banned if you get 3 warns in a day for the same 'powercut' when knocked down. Does it happen that frequent in a day ?
No It doesn't. Although nothing is impossible in Pakistan actually. by the way, the purpose of sharing that tragedy was just to inform about the system. Nothing personal/else.



The only way to get yourself timed was could be: If you are knocked down, minimize your game. And in some time ( in minutes ) you'll automatically get timed out from the server for idle. I haven't tried this nor i am sure. But, whenever i minimize my game while being unspawned i automatically get disconnected from server as i use IRC, i could see myself as timed out. And it takes minutes. - I can say that that's what latest VC-MP does -.

-> Another optional way can be: If you have Evo by PTCL ( wireless internet that starts and stops on simply by plugging in and plugging out ). Its like a USB. You can simply plugin it in your PC/laptop and simply by un-pluggin it, internet would stop. I had it in past. So yea if a player had this, he could take advantage when knocked by quickly un-plugging his evo which will cause internet disconnection and shown as time out.



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Same goes with me. I joined server, spawned and was just heading towards Medics and on the way i automatically got banned. for reason: hack detected.
You got banned for suspicious speed by the server. Actually, it was not the first time, i got several PM from ECBot about the suspicious speed.
By knowing this, I am very much shocked. Perhaps a shock of no less than 440 volts electric shock. I would like to clear the things out here. - As i said in my previous topic, i have never ever hacked in my whole VC-MP carrier. Not only in vc-mp but in other games as well.. Don't know what caused the server to suspect me for speed hacks! I can make a guess it was due to my FPS. after i have re-windowed my PC ( about 1 week ago ). I've been frequently getting kicked for FPS drop and exceed. If i turn Frame Limiter ON - 30 fps -. I keep receiving server notices that my FPS dropped down below 19. IF I turn Frame Limiter OFF - 60 fps - i keep receiving server notices that my FPS exceeded over 65. and i get kicked. Because of that today, in the afternoon I installed Avast antivirus to scan my whole PC and thats what i did. found good amout of threats and deleted them all.



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Same goes with me. I joined server, spawned and was just heading towards Medics and on the way i automatically got banned. for reason: hack detected.
You got banned for suspicious speed by the server. Actually, it was not the first time, i got several PM from ECBot about the suspicious speed. If it was a bug, can you re-produce it so that we can find out what caused it ? It might help other players as well.
it was un-intentional, un-expected, unknown and what else word should i use i dunno. If i recall the moment i got banned, my brother was playing in EC server and one of my family members was using youtube - which i didn't know at that time. But later came to know -. Whenever someone uses a heavy site like youtube or starts downloading something, i quit my game to avoid lag. And mostly it continues in our home. Thats why i play very less. As we have a shared connection ATM. our internet isn't very good. Our neighbours ( who have shared us connection ) might be using something also. if they were, maybe this would have also caused FPS issue...

I will try re-setting this situation ( turning youtube on in my phone and keeping my brother on PC and i myself playing from laptop ) and record my game play and see if i can re-produce it. I mean if i get banned again.


There was about 90% or more drop in hack count( speed hack ) with minimum false detection after the detector was added. Beside that, it also stopped the ban evader that keep joining to ruin the player count by using hack and kill them.
Not sure what caused it to happen. Nothing to say about it......



As you know admin cant be online for 24 hours so players have to wait for admin to ban the hackers. If the detector is removed, it's the same as ruining the server and players' stats while waiting for an admin to online. We never stop improving the system, it's being improved time by time and as soon as we get more information to find out the cause of problems. But to do that, we need players' participation and cooperation.
If i wouldn't have co-operated + participated in the server's improvement., i would have never initiated this topic. :)



PS: Being inactive, you have given time to make a reply to this topic and explaining everything. thanks for this.
Thankx to RebellioN

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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2017, 03:29:14 am »
i never encountered a problem with this as you are saying, i mean, ye, nothing is perfect but also it might have only bugged in your case, like ever since it was added, i didnt encounter any issue with it. Anyway, as human said no admin/mod can stay 24/7 in watching the server and if its removed, hackers and cheaters are just gonna feel more comfortable and server and some players might even never play again in the server due to high count of hackers/cheaters. Anyway, i dont think this should be removed, it should be modified and tweaked a little bit to prevent such mistakes from happening.

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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2017, 11:42:52 am »
The detector wont be affected by network lag either. So, can you help us test the detector while recording your game ? I'll PM you the tasks you would have to do..if you agreed.

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PS: Being inactive, you have given time to make a reply to this topic and explaining everything. thanks for this.
It's because the detector was made by me and i will be inactive again starting 10 September.
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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2017, 03:10:39 pm »
The detector wont be affected by network lag either. So, can you help us test the detector while recording your game ? I'll PM you the tasks you would have to do..if you agreed.
Yea sure. But you should know that Bandicam does affect FPS also. As soon as i start it, after sometime, FPS starts getting down from the average.

I myself gave it a try yesterday. But after a PC scan, my FPS was working better than before. Yesterday, just got kicked once for FPS in th whole day. I have recorded it as well.
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Re: Auto Ban/Warn system
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2017, 03:23:07 pm »
This topic will be locked for now, i will PM you instead.