Quote from: Killer frost^ on February 18, 2020, 02:14:28 am

Now, diverting from my orignal topic of discussion, I'd like to say that you were using lag-tools in that video specifically after 1:58 because of the editing tricks you used (like focusing on chat using F5 to hide radar and what not). The reason because i say this is if you look in the background you can see people moving towards walls and you can see me aiming towards someone and sitting still because you kind of freeze your side of the game for me that's the beauty of lag tools that if you have them you can report other person for it as well because you are choking your packets so the other player won't properly load for you either but because the server does not immediately break connection it waits for a certian time i think 5 seconds before doing so.

i can see you losing your braincells tbh. who was moving to the walls? lmfao, You really need to know first that what lag is. Basically that's not how lag works that your  bullets get desync and all shits. It's actually a delay between the players. If you're lagging you will get delay in your game. In simple words, if you're lagging and shooting a guy in your screen, his actual position will be different, he'll be somewhere else in his screen. that's delay. what is this logic that it takes 1 sec to sync the bullets blah blah lmao.

Other than that, In this video
You must see that the guy running next to lumberjack at :0:32 idk if he's gogeta or someone is also lagging there, he teleported from point to another which simply says that the scenerio was laggy and delaying

> @admins Please take a look here, So basically, You can clearly see in the video provided above this that killerfrost is throwing grenades at lumberjack right after the gogeta lagged to another point, okay. To prove, that he it was killerfrost's lag too, i've few things. So basically what happens is that when you throw a grenade, if your game is not laggy or giving you delays, then the grenade appears right with the  throwing animations,  but if your game is laggy or your game is giving you delays,  the grenade takes sometime to appear after the animation, Which you can see at 0:33, when killerfrost throws a grenade, due to lag, his nade appears after a delay. So elaoborate this further more, i've created this video,

in the very first part, i've a stable ping/fps without any lag, the nades are perfectly synced with my game but in the second part (0:14) i've a unstable ping and delaying gameplay, the nades are taking enough time to appear  after the animation

about 2nd video
This happens with almost everyone, every single day. You can even see that here

ALSO NOW STOP ACCUSING ME FOR LAG TOOL LMAO, YOU'RE REALLY CHILD SAYING I EDITED THE PART, THE GUYS WERE GOING IN WALLS. WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN OR EITHER GO FOR EYE SIGHT CHECKUP

Do you have the unedited version if the video you had posted previously? If not then you don't prove anything.

Hi, I'm going to adress all the replies made in this topic one by one.

Quote from: Azal on February 12, 2020, 04:39:43 pm

I was on MD voice at that day and i remember talking to dark_wolf that i found the lag tools he is using, He said show me so i told him ok record and post these in LumberJack's report topic. so why did you guys make a new report altogheter because I've said it openly in the server that i need people to record with.
you can see these logs too:

first of all let me clear a thing for you, the last time you came in our MD voice was when i was playing without MD tag and i had made a transfer app on ec forum, for which you came to ask whether i left MD or not and Killerx and lumberjack were both present at that time  and i told you that you should use some common sense and brain, after that you didnt have enough balls to actually join our voice again, secondly about the logs you have provided the nickname you are using in the logs is different from the one used in the video given by me, and i also want to conclude that he used that lag tool for a whole 2 hour war that happened that day in which you can clearly see he kept using it to gain unfair advantage which is against rule ( - Any other 3rd party programs that affect the gameplay to gain advantage( e.g. ASI Loader, Cheat engine )
  Explanation: Using 3rd party tools to change game behaviour aimed to gain unfair advantage ) for which he should be punished.

> Hi, I was on MD voice on that day, You can check your server logs or your own brain's memory too if it works. Because I remember telling you I had figured out what you and your clan was using and you didn't sound very happy about it.
> About what is being used in the video, I'm pretty shocked you don't know what it is because an MD clan member gave me this and this has nothing to do with Kewun or anyone else
>I know you have a habbit of exaggerating every possible thing, But i have to ask if i used this unfair advantage in-game for 2 hours straight without stopping how come do you only have 1 video which is 51 seconds long? I am sure you take your job of gathering evidence pretty seriously as it could be the matter of getting someone banned or not. The answer to this is because I only used it for 51 seconds infront of you and I told you that this is what your clan uses daily and i just said I will show this to you.
> About the alias thing, I wasn't really undercover as HunTinG had revealed my identity before this clip was recorded, So therefore I have no reason to use any sort of 3rd party lag tools to gain an advantage because it will only end up getting me banned.
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Being in a blacklisted group with many blacklisted players and ask them to get EC server unplayable is already enough to take action on you. Everybody knows that you decided to get the tool in order to take "revenge" on some players which are part of MD. But the thing you do not know is that "testing" cheats is not allowed except under high rank observation.
And again, for me this topic is more logic for me because it's clear that azal used the cheat unlike the report that should get denied against Lumberjack, as that report was made before the cheat was released. And as Kewun and others are your friends, they should have told you if any member of MD got it.

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>Alright Zkq, can I ask why were you in that same group with me? and I'm not talking about just you i am talking about your friends who are moderator in that group and have the hack in their possesion. does staff know that they have it?
>About the releasing of the Lag-tool this has been used in many other games not just vc:mp but many other online titles and was released in 2009. This has absolutely no connection with Kewun
>Also if you call getting cheaters banned a form of "revenge" then that's totally upto you. Because i call that righteousness. because proofs from 2017/18/19 are present all around the various server forums of vc:mp about you people and your little lag-tool

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@Human.

@Azal
The only reason Lumber's report is pending is because admins are still trying to rule out other posibilities that cant simply be ignored in accusation of 'fake lag' (such as bad internet/ISP problem causing packet drops, his computer problem..etc or really 3rd party tool) and whether the evidence is enough to consider him using 'lag tool'. I believe you know it's not going to be easy considering the only evidences are video of him lagging during fight(which isnt weird at all as he spend most of his time in server, fighting). Anyway, since you admitted you used third party tool in EC, did you ask permission from staff member before testing the so called 'lagtool' ?

>I see what your views are on the lumberjack report and i hope that you'll come out with whatever seems to be the right verdict for it.
>About myself however, I did take permission from danish about testing but that was infront of him and he did not specifiy that I can test it infront of anyone or not.

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normally i don't give a shit about your fuckfests here in EC since I don't play it because you've totally fucked it up and because Tom agrees with me on this, but I thought I should add that this is possibly a new creation made by Kewun.
it's obvious he remade whatever MD clan is using, your friend Zkq should know more about this because he's still in touch with Crow1994 and newly he's with Kewun too.
here's a fresh footage of Kewun's new toys:


the only solution to prevent this now would be to perma-ban MD, Bloodclaw and rest of suspicious Pakistan players from EC.

eventually close vcmp lmao

for me it will not make a difference, either way I know how to defeat this hack

Hello whoever this is. I don't know who you are but i can tell you a few facts
>I have kicked these lag-tool users several times from EC which can be seen in admin reports section too.
>Those hacks have nothing to do with this one.

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Quote from: Vin_Mascatii on February 15, 2020, 03:48:44 am

it's obvious he remade whatever MD clan is using,

The thing you guys always fail to prove is which cheat we have so kewun could "remake" it. Many members got kicked / left the clan for personal problems with managers, some are playing against us, these people have never said that we got a lag tool, neither said that it exists. 

>Now about the stuff highlighted in bold: Lets say i am in a clan which uses hacks blatantly in a server and does not get punished, I see what my leaders are doing and start using said lag-tool myself. I don't get caught/banned so I get used to playing with it, In a way you can call this addiction. So now after leaving the clan I were to expose this lag tool my clan leaders won't be the only ones getting banned, I will be punished as well or at the very least won't be able to use lag-tools in EC as openly as i did before it was caught. So if someone does reveal your true identity its as big a loss for you as it is for them. Because your entire clan is based on cheaters and that is how you recruit. By showing them that you have a hack and won't get caught for it which causes attraction because its the easy way to win. WITH CHEATS.

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First of all, you didn't get staff's permission to test the tool in server. Besides that, it seems you used the tool in a war rather in order to gain advantage over other players. It seems you didn't use the tool to test but to gain advantage over others.

>I'm pretty sure you have some experience in handling reports. If i were to use anything in EC  i wouldn't have exposed its existance and i'd use it behind MDs back to gain advantage over them. However i've done the exact opposite like you can see in this thread which is a report about i made about lag-tools before mad killer or anyone even brought up this topic https://ec.vc-mp.net/index.php?topic=10140.0
>Also in my humble opinion it matters less what seems to be the truth and matters a lot more what is the truth, so i'd advise you to keep your opinion's scope limited to the evidences and not beyond that.
>I've also mentioned about permission to human.

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@Azal  Ban Incoming dude, Thank me later

>no plz bro
>also i've never been reported for lag-tools in any other server so edit your first post

Pull of your Monitor cable and put it back inside the socket and match the exact same timing of Lumberjack's display restarts. If we cut off the power, the lcd takes enough time to actually give you the display again and that thing doesn't make lines in the display that his display is making off.

Yeah, the thing is if you pull your monitor cable out and put it back in which i have done and noted exact time this is how much time it takes for it to turn back on.
About those lines, the camera lumberjack was recording with was pretty cheap and his display too isn't modern so he is getting lines and this a problem which the whole WORLD experiences i can show you this example too.

I don't know you are dumb or what look at my videos and then check your theres alot of difference but leme explain, In my videos my lagg is cuz of my pc prob which is real(lagg) but in your videos its fake lag(caused by any tool) and the second thing is my keys stop working everytime after this display timeout issue and cuz my display went out I also don't even know where my oppenent is but in your you can see it clearly lol idk what more admins need from my side to prove that i'm playing fair.
And the last thing I want to say azal you have the lagtool right then send it to admins so admin can make anti-cheat for this lagtool but wait, then what will happen to you and your friends lol anyways lets wait for the  admins reply now.

The point highlighted in red is what you say, The only thing you've managed to record and show staff is you yanking out your display cable and toggling your hack on. We don't see what you see on your screen on that time and that's the window you need.

About anti-cheat however: I've sent this to VC:MP Developers and i hope they can come up with a solution even though it is less likely

However, I'd say that Azal's latest videos completely differ from what appends to Lumberjack. But what it appears to me is that its some kind of toggle, which I think had stated earlier, and  I'd like to know if it can be toggled for particularly short intervals? That would make it very much similar to what I have been noticing.

Yeah man you can do exactly that, I was just in a hurry to record so i didn't practice alot with the lag tool just told alone to record me so yeah big thanks to him.
However yes, this can be used and made to function for shor intervals i just used it in the most blatant way for recording purposes.


also let me provide some more insight that this is a lag tool:

5:42 to 6:00 in this video he toggles on and it can clearly be seen because just before i am redirected to spawn screen we can see him running into the pillar which is identical to my video i made on LAG-TOOLS

and 10:46 to 10;55 in this video

Hi, I was going to upload videos on Sunday but lost all my data while video editing due to power outage.
Therefore i will re-record and upload all relevent proof by tonight. I will also answer all of your questions zkq, kody, lumberjack.

Quote from: Brian on February 06, 2020, 01:49:21 am

@Ryne Display issues have no impact whatsoever on what is going on ingame in an online environment, there's no such thing as "timeout" when your display is black or having issues displaying pixels. That excuse is utter horseshit, literally any software engineer can tell you the same thing.

I was also thinking same, what screen has to do with what is being processed by basically CPU. The most it can do to lumberjack is to go blind for 2-3 seconds which should look normal to his opponent as lumberjack out of blue started running like chicken for 2-3 seconds.

@LumberJacK : Do you only face this screen issue while playing vc-mp only (almost in every server)? Do you face similar problem while browsing websites?

This isn't any issue it was made up because we gave him time to make up new lies and fake ass bullshit. This is obviously fabricated and now i have decided i will soon provide in-depth proof about this very soon. Because look at your own posts you're just trying to lie your way out of this as you said you are having some issue for 10 days but we posted month old videos

Quote from: Azal on February 06, 2020, 12:01:15 am

Alright @LumberJacK  3  questions for you.

1: You say you had some sort of display issue and that causes the rubber banding we can see in the videos, for a second lets assume you're right, now please explain why you're perfectly hittable when you spawn one time and after getting killed you just become a sponge for bullets even if the player trying to shoot you is PERFECTLY LEAD-AIMING literally into the place where you're gonna crouch?

I think you should check this video also its just a players movements nothing else if u want i can show u more videos . second thing is that since i'm facing the display issue i'm also facing fps drop you can also check in my videos.

Quote from: Azal on February 06, 2020, 12:01:15 am

2: You in your offical statement have stated that this so called "display issue" is caused by some sort of software malfunction in your PC. Then where does this guy's explaination fit in who is your clan member who refferd to this random teleportation as "ping spikes"

which can be seen here in this video



3: Most importantly: all evidence, even justification or proof that you have the so called "display issue" must be posted publically for EVERYONE to see. Look at my videos as an example they're totally open to public so your videos should be too so.

okay you can check my display prob here ,
and from kody's side
I think everything is clear now.

I have no concern with fulton's video and whatever he posted. This video however is a fabrication and nothing more because you're just yanking the display cable out and putting it back in I don't know if you took help from a friend but it does not matter. Moreover to prove this i can also make a display issue video of my own because that timeout on Kody's screen was legit you using the lag-hack. Infact i will contact a friend we might actually make one just need to see how important staff considers this before actually making one. Also i think audio was intentionally cut from your video so we can't actually hear you or your friend pulling out the display cable.
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@Ryne Display issues have no impact whatsoever on what is going on ingame in an online environment, there's no such thing as "timeout" when your display is black or having issues displaying pixels. That excuse is utter horseshit, literally any software engineer can tell you the same thing.

This actually explains the situation quite well and is very helpful from brian. As i said above i can fabricate this exact thing if staff needs it. because i know at this point your lies are getting caught and you're trying to conjure any sort of bullshit you can.

What i am trying to say is these videos raise even more questions than they answer.

Alright, these are timestamps for the first video. Note that most of the times he turns on lag-tool at start of timestamp and at the end of timestamp its turned off. Usually that's the method I follow but some may be slightly different.



TimeStamps

0:00 - 1:30, 3:37 - 3:50, 5:08 - 6:05, 7:06 - 7:22 and 10:45 - 11:15

Now the main point is he is perfectly hittable and then becomes superman in his next spawn, this is obviously way too much of an advantage for him as he can easily fight 2v1 or the 1vX situations. so please lumber explain why you are hittable and all of a sudden go unhittable?

I will be adding the timestamps of 2nd and 3rd video too and edit them here.

Also Lumberjack post all evidences publically if you got nothing to hide. No reason to PM administrators with evidence about a report which has its evidence open as well.

@LumberJacK What kind of issue with your screen.

@Azal : Can you edit the video to make it more explanatory or at least mention. time-stamps for reference where you feel toggle is on and off.

Hey @Ryne ! As you know its a monday and i have some work from college so i'll edit the FIRST POST or this one with timestamps in sometime when i am free from my assignments even though the first video is a small amount of highlights i think. and about the statements made by Zkq about more proof, sure i'll upload some and edit it.   

However i must say that opinion of people who are not staff does not really count in the final judgement of this report unless it constitutes of undeniable facts so please don't waste your time guys.